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A series of interviews with Church members to find out more about their daily lives. Taken from the Church Magazine

2004 Neil McGovern 2004 Robert Batten 2005 Becky Riley and Josh Wheeler
2005 Midge and Roy Thompson 2005 Polly Ryan 2005 The Glover Family
2007 Gemma Machin 2007 Ray Hearn 2008 David Mouncer
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People and Jesus-Neil McGovern, Student (August 2004 edition of the Church Magazine) I am at Music College in Birmingham, where my first-study instrument is saxophone. Whilst I am away from Chesterfield for the majority of the year, I still consider St. Thomas' my 'home' Church.
Neil McGovern I cannot remember a specific time when I first gave my life to Jesus and sometimes this has troubled me, particularly when I hear people give a precise date and time of when Jesus came into their lives and turned everything upside down. I have sometimes felt that perhaps my testimony was inferior to theirs. However, when I look back on my walk and consider how Jesus has always been there with me, it becomes clear that the Holy Spirit has been there every step, protecting and guiding me, for which I am now very thankful.

Two years ago I went to university, and God has richly blessed me in many ways. The culture of Music College makes an idol of music in many ways, and this is a real snare to Christians coming to university, not to mention the debauched lifestyle of most students. Thankfully, God has blessed me with a house containing three other Bible-bashers, and this has been a genuine source of encouragement and spiritual feeding throughout last year. I have no demographics to hand, but it seems that my age group is the most likely to walk away from God. I have found that unless you want to be dragged down by the world and its corrupt ways, then you have to get desperate for God and earnestly seek His face.

If I were to be asked what my greatest prayer need is at the moment, then I would have to say that it is just to get to know God better. If that sounds spiritually arrogant, then please forgive me, but the heart of Christianity is not a theology or regular church attendance or tithing or doing good, important as all those things are, the crux of the matter is a relationship with Jesus.

How much time do I actually spend with the One I profess to be my Best Friend? More and more, in this last year particularly, I have learned that if we do not spend enough time with Jesus, in prayer and in the Word, then the more of a mess we get ourselves into; regardless of the reality of our circumstances. "In everything by prayer." Philip 4:6.

I have recently been listening to a fair amount of preaching by the late Leonard Ravenhill, which I strongly recommend to anyone who wants to get fired up for God. Audio sermons by him are available online, through most search engines. Last year I read a book called "The Heavenly Man" by the Chinese pastor known as Brother Yun, which was a real revelation as to what being a Christian means for people in that part of the world.

So anyway, that is a bit about where I am at currently, hopefully you managed to read this far! God bless. Num 6:24-26.


People and Jesus-Robert Batten, formaly an Accountant and now a Community Transport Worker (December 2004 edition of the Church Magazine)

Robert Batten I started to work in Community Transport 10 years ago, having spent 30 years in accountancy. Long hours and stress at meeting deadlines often led me to think of a life away from profit and loss accounts and balance sheets.

The recession of the early 90's brought matters to a head and, following a redundancy; I drew closer to God and prayed about the future. Some years earlier I had taken the PSV (Bus driving test) for fun and now, after training as a volunteer for Chesterfield Community Transport, I was offered a job with Bakewell & Eyam C.T., part-time at first but eventually fulltime.
The job is very people-centred. From babes in arms to centenarians we collect clients from their homes and take them shopping, to day centres, special schools, hospitals, surgeries, or on outings. The main criterion is that passengers do not have access to or are unable to use other forms of transport; so the majority of our work is with disabled or elderly people, church groups, scouts, guides and small organizations meeting a beneficial or social need.

We employ 6 drivers and draw on about 100 volunteer drivers, some of whom drive for their own organizations. All volunteers undergo training and assessment.

I find my Christian faith plays a relevant part in my job. It is often a two-way process. Some passengers have used our services for many years and close relationships are formed both among themselves and with the drivers and escorts, Joys and sorrows are shared. Loneliness and isolation that some face can be lifted by the contact that we provide.

Sometimes I can talk about my faith with people with a particular burden and, just as important, I can listen to them. Time is not so pressing. One lady told me that a few weeks after she married at the beginning of the war her husband was taken prisoner and they were not reunited for nearly five years. She is now 92 and still active in her church. Occasionally there is an emergency, such as the 90 year old widow who had a water leak in her loft that was quite simple to fix.

Most of my regular passengers know of my connection with Hope for Eastern Europe and ask what life is like in Romania. Some of them knit garments, others do shoe boxes. I have taken round petitions on the subject of persecution of Christians and got dozens of signatures.

We carry clients with learning difficulties. They can be particularly challenging. Being generally uninhibited in expressing their feelings they can please and frustrate in equal measure. Remaining calm is always the best course if not the easiest. Escorts do a wonderful job in these circumstances and clients can develop deep attachments with them and their regular driver. Speaking about Jesus is something that can happen out of the blue and some have a simple but very real understanding of who He is. Keeping the third commandment is fairly strictly enforced and any lapse will bring the bus to a halt, and the offender will be gently instructed on the matter. This invariably leaves an impression on the others.

The buses are 25 feet long and 8 feet wide. They have to go everywhere to reach clients. Reversing up a narrow potholed winding track on a foggy night is not easy, and minor scrapes do happen. I pray every morning for all the drivers and passengers that they will have safe journeys. Thanks be to our Lord, there has not been a serious incident since our work started.


People and Jesus-Becky Riley and Josh Wheeler, at School and members of CYFA (April 2005 edition of the Church Magazine)

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" 2 Cor 5:17

Two of our CYFA members, Josh Wheeler and Becky Riley are getting confirmed on Sunday 20th March in North Wingfield. Here's what they have to say about this next step in their walk with God.

Are you excited about being confirmed?
Josh: Extremely.
Becky: Yes. Very Excited.

What made you want to be confirmed?
J: I realised that all of this is serious and true and that I wanted to commit my life to God.
B: I felt after spending 2 weeks at New Wine I was closer to God and ready to make the promises my parents made for me for myself.
How will you feel afterwards and will it affect your daily life?

J: I will feel fuller and complete. I would act differently to do God's work as I would be fully part of his family.
B: I'm not sure how I'll feel afterwards; I think I'll be really happy and excited. I hope it will affect my daily life by making me a better person in everything that I do.
What was the best thing about confirmation classes?

J: The reassurance that when Jesus died he took all our sins away and that there is life after death and the biscuits and cakes were quite nice as well!
B: Knowing that God had sent Jesus so that I could be alive and I could live for Him; also the tea and biscuits were very nice!!

Please pray for the confirmation candidates as they confirm their faith and passion, and surrender their lives publicly to God. Please persevere in prayer for all our young people, that they might grow in Godly character and righteousness. Let's be a congregation that values its young people not just as the church of tomorrow, but as the church of today.


People and Jesus-Midge and Roy Thompson, Retired (June 2005 edition of the Church Magazine)

Midge and Roy discuss.
Thompsons R: How did you come to learn about Jesus?

M: Almost entirely within my family. I have an abiding memory of a photograph of my father carrying a cross on a procession around Calow. My mother was a Sunday school teacher at Spital Mission. I was also influenced by my first term at St. Thomas' day school. How about you?
R: I also went to a church school - St. Hilda's in Ampleforth, next to the church. There were close links, and my mother was also an influence by example. I went to Sunday school and was in the church choir for a time. You would be in the choir I'm sure.

M: Yes. Front row of the children's choir at the family service and also in the Bible class. Unfortunately family service was stopped soon after I was confirmed. Disastrous. We moved to St. Mark's and eventually walked the mile or so to Chesterfield Parish Church where my brother became a server and member of the Church Lad's Brigade. I joined the Girls Guild and taught in the Sunday school.

R: I too eventually taught in Sunday school and was a server for quite a time. I also pumped the old organ at evensong - sometimes when I wasn't supposed to - for example when I knew the elderly lady organist had dozed off during the sermon with her hands on the keys! Hymns had a lot to say about Jesus for me and probably carried more messages along the way than the spoken word in the early days. My favourite hymn, "How sweet the name of Jesus sounds" paints a picture of faith from cradle to grave.

M: We were fortunate that both of us had Religious Instruction at secondary school. While you were in the Air Force and Army and I was nursing we had opportunities to exercise our belief. It was part of my routine to attend prayers and hymns in the chapel each morning, to be transmitted to the wards.

R: While I served at makeshift altars in Nissen huts and read lessons in many churches in England and Wales, you put your musical talents to good use. I remember coming to hear you sing solos in Nottingham's Albert Hall on Hospital Sunday.

M: Yes, and later I exercised my sparse knowledge of German in singing to wounded German soldiers and prisoners of war.

R: On the subject of time and talents, I was founder chairman of the Spire Players, an experimental drama group performing religious plays in Chesterfield Parish Church and beyond. Do you remember the time we staged some audience participation? It got out of hand when the vicar was confronted by unexpected questions from unrehearsed members of the congregation!

M: Perhaps more profitable was your spell at St. Peter's as superintendent of Sunday school. With no resident incumbent there were services to conduct and pageants to write, the Christmas story being particularly popular.

R: By this time Midge, you were well established in the Red Cross.

M: Yes, a chance meeting with my St. Thomas' Sunday school teacher directed my nursing towards voluntary work in the Red Cross. I heard 6000 young people promise to "serve God, Queen and country" to enrol in the Red Cross. As matron of holiday camps for children with special needs I could rely on local units for caring attendants. As matron of the first International Scout Camp at Chatsworth, I was grateful for my faith, as I needed to be confident that I was not alone in coping with many minor and several major incidents, with the help of volunteer doctors and nurses.

R: You're still involved with Crossroads aren't you among other organisations?

M: Yes. Many years ago two influential Christian ladies prevailed upon me to start a scheme in Chesterfield. This is now meeting the need of caring for carers in N.E. Derbyshire.

R: It seems to me that the path of Jesus has been way marked for us by the example of practising Christians reinforced by the Gospels. Do you share that view?

M: More or less. That I think and the experience of the power of prayer and the love of Jesus:
"Forth in thy name o Lord we go
our daily labours to pursue:
thee only thee resolved to know,
in all we think or speak or do"



People and Jesus-Polly Ryan (October 2005 edition of the Church Magazine)
Poly Ryan I have lived in Holymoorside for 18 years, having been born and brought up in Chesterfield.

I became an active member of St. Thomas' church from the age of 15, when I joined the youth group with my best friend. Indeed it was there that I met my husband to be, Brendan.
After university in London, where I studied drama, I lived in Sheffield for 4 years until Brendan finished his medical degree, during which we were married at St. Thomas' and moved to Chesterfield.

I worked for 7 years at the Crucible Theatre as their Press Officer, job sharing with Midge and Roy Thompson's daughter Rachel!

I became involved with St. Peter's at Holymoorside after our daughter Phoebe was born. We both wanted her to be christened and the welcome was so warm and encouraging at St. Peter's from people like dear Harry and Mavis Martin, sadly no longer with us.

Over the years I have become more involved with life at St. Peter's, helping with prayers and readings and serving at Holy Communion. Some years ago I was honoured to be asked to consider becoming a lay reader. I went some way down this avenue, but felt it was not the right step at that time - perhaps some time in the future.

My Christian faith is very much wrapped around people. I am fortunate to be surrounded by love from my family, friends and neighbours. I see the love of Jesus demonstrated every day in the things people do for each other. I think this is a major reason for becoming so involved in life at St. Peter's. Jesus' love shines through the warmth and love from the congregation. I remember the words of Vivian Watts-Jones (a previous rector who had a strong effect on my belief) that Christianity has to work horizontally and vertically in order to be effective - i.e. our relationship with God has to complement our relationships with each other.

As time goes by, I have seen St. Peter's grow physically (the church extension) and spiritually, in outreach ventures such as the Easter Mystery Plays. These plays were a great opportunity for many peoples' varied talents to come to the fore and for new people to be involved in a unique and enjoyable event. I was pleased to be able to put some of my drama work into practise!

I feel very blessed to live in a community like ours where people know each other and interact at so many events. I feel we are fortunate to have three active churches in the village at a time when church attendance is shrinking. I hope we will go from strength to strength and that the terrific energy and guidance from Alex Simpson, who we are so lucky to have amongst us, the spiritual life of our village and that of myself will steadily grow in the years to come.


People and Jesus-The Glover Family (December 2005 edition of the Church Magazine)
Glover Family Jesus has been present in my life for as long as I can remember. Earliest recollections are perhaps from preschool years, memorising as "homework" from Sunday school, "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so" and "Jesus bids us shine with a pure, clear light".

Over the years, Jesus has increasingly demonstrated the truth of his love for me, and in so doing, has increased the desire in me to shine with a pure, clear light. Not that I have managed always to shine as clear as I would like.
Mike and I were blessed early in our marriage with Sam, now 16, but afterwards followed several traumatic years of miscarriages and screening for cancer, which I have to say was a rather dark period of my life. Not that the light was extinguished completely, for the great assurance in knowing Jesus is that "it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me", and as John's gospel tells us "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it". And sure enough, an amazing encounter with Jesus on my first visit to Spring Harvest rekindled the flicker into a flame, marking the beginning of a new chapter in many aspects of my walk with Christ. Susan, now 8, was born as a direct answer to prayer, and Ben, now 4, is a daily reminder that God "is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think"!

About 18 months ago, the Lord led us to Chesterfield, following a career change for Mike. St. Thomas' was recommended to us and after our first visit we looked no further. Mike and I became involved in Discoverers, and joined a house group, which I find a great source of encouragement and growth. However, it became clear that God had more in mind…

I attended the Lent course, studying "The Purpose Driven Life", and was very challenged by the end. We were asked to consider our ministry and mission in life, on the basis that "God has a ministry for you in His church and a mission for you in the world".

Then I went to Spring Harvest, where the theme was "Singing the Lord's Song in a Strange Land". We studied Daniel, how he had been taken from his familiar surroundings, friends and fellow believers, and had to discover how to live for his Lord in this new place. It was easy for me to empathise.

As the days passed, I realised God was calling me to serve in mission in the town to which He had brought me. I could not be a light in the darkness if I only stayed in the body of light. I needed to move beyond the confines of church and into the community. In this Year of Mission at St. Thomas', God has mobilised me to join the Baptism Preparation Team, and help out on the Mission Bus, which serves the homeless in Chesterfield. I feel very privileged to be given the opportunity to share the love of Jesus in this way, and pray that by God's grace, the light of Christ will shine through me for His greater glory.


People and Jesus -Gemma Machin (February 2007 edition of the Church Magazine)
Gemma Machin Gemma has been our Youth Work Co-ordinator for nearly three years.

I was brought up as a Christian, and in my childhood attended a Catholic church with my mum. I eventually decided this wasn’t right for me, and stopped attending altogether. For a while I had no involvement with the church at all.

Then, several years later at the age of 12 or 13, I started going to a Christian youth group with a friend – although at the time I didn’t know it was a Christian group. One evening one of the leaders sat down and began to talk about the difference between a convert and a disciple. I remember thinking that I’d never heard anyone say anything of the sort or talk about Christianity in any kind of personal way. Eventually, through a lot of reflection and discussion, I realised that just saying I was a ‘Christian’ didn’t really mean anything, and that if I was going to say such things that I ought to mean them and live them. So when I was 14 I made a commitment to Christ, a commitment which said I would live the rest of my life for him. Just before leaving school, I met a new friend through inter-church youth events, and found a home church for myself where I felt that I really fitted in. That church was St. Thomas’.
When I left school I went to University in Nottingham to study music. The course there was really good, and I enjoyed the practical side of making music. My principle instruments there were soprano saxophone, and flute – with a little piano on the side. By the end of the first year, the course just didn’t seem right for me any more, I didn’t really fit in with the other students, and my tutor had a disliking for saxophone music, so things didn’t seem to be going so well. So, a few difficult decisions later I decided to leave the course and move back home to Dronfield. I felt that perhaps God had something else in mind for me, other than music, but I had no idea what that might be.

On returning home, I started my own music teaching business (which is what I’d wanted to do after leaving university anyway). It was really quite successful to begin with, and for approx 2 years I had 35-40 pupils on the books. As the business seemed to be going quite well, I started to look for my own accommodation and soon realised that the income I’d been earning just wouldn’t stretch that far. So I tried to take on a few more pupils, but that didn’t really come up with a financial solution either.

I continued with the teaching as best as I could, and began to wonder what else I should be doing. Then, almost out of the blue it seemed to me a vacancy came up at church for a volunteer to help out a bit with the youth work. I jumped at the opportunity and eagerly joined in, in all the ways I could think of. Christian Youth Work was something that I’d had a very positive experience of in the past, and I felt that my teaching background would help me to get involved, and to engage with all sorts of people easily. Then, Neil Roper (the previous St. Thomas’ Youth Worker) decided to move on to another church, and the Youth Work Co-ordinator role was vacant. I wondered if I should apply for the job, but felt that I really shouldn’t since I only had limited experience, and no relevant qualifications. But strangely, several people suggested that I did apply. So, I prayed, a lot, and thought, a lot, and eventually applied. When the interviews came, I found that I lost all nerves, could say what I wanted to say, and I managed to convey some of the passion I felt for the young people of our nation. A few days later, despite the interview of another highly qualified candidate, I found out that I had got the job. I felt nervous, and unprepared, but I did feel that God was working in ways that I didn’t then understand.

Since that time I have become convinced that I am doing the job God wants me to do, in the place that God wants me to be. I have learnt so much more about young people through my experience, I have developed and grown in my relationship with God, and I now feel that the youth work at St. Thomas’ is fruitful, growing and full of potential. I am currently in the second year of training at St. John’s College in Nottingham (A degree in Youth, Community Work, and Applied Theology) a challenging course in many ways, but one that I hope will equip me better for my future work with young people.

A scripture which continues to inspire me, and the work I do on a day to day basis can be found in Revelation 21:1-4, which says:
“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, … I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Jesus and the certainty of being with him in eternity and wanting to prepare myself for that, is the reason I get up in the morning. He’s the reason I breathe, He’s the reason I do what I do.

Gemma Machin

Read also Gemma Machin -Youth Work Co-ordinator (2004)


My Journey home -Ray Hearn’s Testimony (August 2007 edition of the Church Magazine)

Ray is one of our senior church family members. He tells us of his journey to faith.
Ray Hearn Jesus told the parable of the Prodigal Son who left home. When he came to the end of his resources he decided to return home and offer to earn his keep as a hired servant.

At 16 I left school and stopped going to church but by the time I was 17 I asked the headmaster if I could return to school. At 19 I failed an exam that stopped me going on in my career so I took a temporary job in order to resit my exam. However, before I was 20 I became very ill with tuberculosis. and had all on to survive.

During the ten months in hospital two chaplains visited regularly. One was an Anglican who took a patients’ Holy Communion service that I decided to attend. The other was a Methodist who stirred something in me that I had never experienced before.
When I was 20 I was discharged from King’s Mill Hospital and returned home, although not before I had experienced my first encounter with clinical depression. My mum and dad and I were rehoused in a council house on the border of Nottingham where they looked after me and brought me back to mental and physical health.

During the period of convalescence I started going to the local parish church, St. Martin’s at Bilborough, Nottingham but the minister who most influenced me was the priest in charge of the daughter church, just across the road from our home. He had the same spiritual quality of the Methodist chaplain and very gently listened to my opinions.

During that summer I read a book called ‘Tell England’ by Ernest Raymond. It told of an Anglo Catholic chaplain preparing two young soldiers for Confirmation and then giving them their first communion. The story tragically tells of the death of these two young soldiers at Gallipoli in the first world war. During their preparation the chaplain convinced the young soldiers that part of their preparation should be to make their confession to him as a priest. I was so moved by this book that I went to my local parish priest and he heard my lifetime confession, all ten foolscap pages of it! I wrote to a dear Anglican sister, Sister Hilary, who was in charge of St. Luke’s Home, Newbold, where my mother’s cousin was cared for. She had known me for at least 10 years. Her reply to my letter said that she was delighted that I had decided to surrender my life to Christ.

During the time in hospital I retook and passed my exam, and was able to start life as a student at 21, 3 years older than my friends. After five years of a life that was often difficult to fathom I reached the final stage of my spiritual journey, when I became sure that I was a Christian. I date the time I started my return home to God from when I was 19 and began taking regular Holy Communion in the hospital and experienced the saintly ministry of the Methodist chaplain.

About a month after I had started at college a Chinese girl, Pam, invited me to a lunch time meeting of the Christian Union. I had strong reservations about the way this society promoted its message because it seemed to sell Jesus like an American commercial would promote a bar of soap. The time of the meeting came. Having nowhere to go to eat my cheese roll I decided to go to the meeting and that turned out to be the next but last of a chain of decisions over a period of one and a half years that changed my life. The final decision came just after the meeting had ended. The speaker had spoken well. My reservations had been silenced but I had two questions on which I needed assurance. 'Was it possible to be a Christian by growing into one gradually?' and secondly, 'How could I be sure that I was a Christian?'

The answer to the first of course is that we can grow into being a Christian and many do. Sadly, many people who are Christians are not sure that they are but the Bible makes it so clear that we can be sure. Jack Wallace, the speaker answered that question for me, using a pen and Luke 11: 13 to help me to be sure. Jack held a pen out and asked me, 'What must you do if you want it?' 'Take it.' I replied.

Jack replied that it was as simple and straightforward to accept God’s gift of Eternal Life in His Son as it was to take the pen. He showed me a verse from Scripture. ‘If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him.’ Luke 11:13.

I took God’s offer of His Son as simply as I could take the pen by praying that Jesus would come into my life. At last after 5 years I had come home. On the surface I had made a chance decision to go to that meeting but in God’s plan I had taken the final step in my way to Jesus. I went into that room with no assurance about being a Christian. I came out sure that God was my heavenly Father and Jesus was my Saviour. Life has never been the same again. It was amazing what happened in my life after that day. Before, I had had so many questions about life. I could not see any purpose in it. After, I was like the blind man whose sight was restored by Jesus. He said, ‘Whereas before, I was blind. Now I can see.’

Are you like I was so many years ago? Only you and God know the answer to that question. If you are not sure, the Lord says to each one of us, ‘Ask and you will receive, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened unto you.’ If you do, life will never be the same again.

Trusting that God will work His salvation in your hearts.

Love in Jesus,

Ray Hearn


David Mouncer's Testimony (February 2008 edition of the Church Magazine)
David Mouncer Before David left he gave his testimony at ‘Furnace’ on 26 October 2007. Below is the transcript of what he said.

23 years, 5 days, 40 minutes ago God sorted me out. It wasn’t particularly that I was a horrendous sinner before this point but I’d got things mixed up –upside down. Let me explain. I grew up in a Christian home, my parents were Christians and I went to a good evangelical church. I went to Sunday School, Pathfinders, CYFA, I was in the choir. I knew all the words in the Prayer Book. But I was still mixed up. (This worries me still, it is surprising how much good teaching can go into our ears without touching our brain or heart. We can be teaching the right things but are our young people really taking it onboard for themselves?)

So I was a ‘good person’. When I was 18 I went off to Aberystwyth University. I remember kissing my parents goodbye and thinking “No one knows me”. I could be whoever I wanted to be, do whatever I wanted to do. I could go home and my mum would say “Everything OK dear?” “Yes”. “Been to church?” “Yes.” Ummm!
In my first year I didn’t really go to church much. (But I didn’t get into wine, women and song either!) One day however I did go twice on one Sunday. I distinctly remember coming out of the church in the evening and looking up and saying, “I hope you’re impressed”. It’s as if I had got obedience and love round the wrong way. I thought God would love me more the more obedient I was to him. The more times I went to church the more he’s bound to love me. God would think, “That’s one good mark, well done”. I’d got things mixed up. I felt I had to earn God’s love. The more I did for God the more acceptable I would be to him. Obedience would result in love.

That was until October 21 1984. I went to a different church and learnt a valuable lesson. Love and obedience are part of our lives -but it is love first and obedience next. There was a lady preaching by the name of Isabel Chapman. I don’t know what she said. I don’t even know what text she used. All I know is that at about 8pm she asked anyone who wanted to experience the love of God to come forward. Zip I was running up that aisle. I had never felt God’s love. I had heard about God’s love, read about it in the Bible but never felt it –because I was trying to earn it. I went up to the front of the church and burst into tears. Because it was at that moment I learnt really that God loved me. I hadn’t been particularly obedient, but it felt like God’s love was pouring into me. I was crying and enjoying the moment.

Then I learnt the next lesson, that obedience comes from love. I went to church in the evening and took someone with me. He was called ‘Trougher’. (I don’t know his proper name only his nickname. It was to do with the amount of food he would consume in our halls of residence.)

Partway through the service Trougher said to me, “Let’s go”. I didn’t really want to go but we went. Coming out of church we could turn right back to our halls of residence or left and along the promenade. We turned left and walked along the promenade. As we walked along in silence I heard God speaking to me deep inside me. I don’t often hear God speaking to me but now I heard God saying, “Take Trougher back, take Trougher back”. (It always makes me smile looking back, perhaps God knew I didn’t know Trougher’s real name –God speaks to us in ways we understand.)

At that moment I had a decision to make. This was nothing to do with God’s love; it was to do with being obedient. “We’ve got to go back haven’t we?” “Yes” Trougher said, and we went back.

We got back to the church and most people had gone but Trougher went forward and gave his life to Christ. I didn’t realise he was a backslidden Christian. He re-committed his life and was changed from then onwards.

I learnt a very valuable lesson about obedience. As I was sitting in the seventh pew down on the left with my size ten white boots on the seat (there were box pews and I had to twist round to get comfortable) a lady, who was the cleaner came down the aisle and looked at me. “Hello” I said. “Hello” came the reply. This was the first time that I met Lisa. Within two and a half months we were engaged.

I often mull over the thought: would I have met Lisa if I hadn’t been obedient? I don’t know. But I did learn a valuable lesson that it is always best to be obedient because its God’s best way for us.

I went back to my halls of residence full of God’s love. I was sharing a room with a mate called Dudley. On Monday morning I woke up and Dudley was looking at me strangely. I thought “What have I got, what’s wrong with me?” He said these words that will always stay with me “David, you have been hugging that pillow all night!” It wasn’t because I had met Lisa but because I was so full of God’s love. I had to express it so what did I do, I hugged the pillow.

It’s interesting sometimes how God converts us. He often comes back into our lives, he reverberates in us. I had learnt at that time that God loves me. Not because of what I do but because he has chosen me. That love is secure.

Coming right up to date people ask, “How can you believe that God loves you with what is going on in your life [MS]. I have no problem knowing that God loves me. His love is secure; is like a rock that never changes in my life. Yes storms come, yes they batter us, but God’s love is constant. He loves us, he loves us, He loves us. But we do need to respond and we need to respond and the way we respond must be with obedience. Jesus said, “If you love me, do what I say”. My response to God’s love has always been to follow him.

Something else I remember that has run through all of my life. When I was seven I fell in love –Clarke, Bremner. I was watching the television and Leeds beat Arsenal to win the FA Cup. They haven’t won it since but I have followed through thick and thin –and there have been more thin times.

Do you love God? As a response you have to show it to God by putting him first, his ways first, his glory first. That means obedience. Show me someone who says they love God but does not do what God asks and I would doubt that love. We show our love of God in response to his great love, obeying what he says when times are good and when times are bad, through thick and thin. His love is constant and our love for him should be also.

You can listen to David’s, and other testimonies here.
David’s leaving service here.

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